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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-120606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Megan,

Professional standards have nothing to do with web design as related to you by your blog, to set a standard on design would be like telling Picasso to clean up his paintings.  Besides, we do have a set of design standards that are enforced by the developers of the browsers we use, it&#039;s called HTML 4, (now up to 5), and CSS.  These standards dictate what we can and can&#039;t do to our web design.  The only limitations set by design is that which the mind can create.

So back to your blog on &quot;standards&quot;, the term Professional is coined for anyone who receives a payment for a service performed, technically this means you receive monetary funds, but the service could be a barter exchange or an item that furthers your career.  So does this mean that the college athlete who gets a free education to play football is a professional?  In my opinion, yes.  Others will disagree of course...   Perhaps this blog would be better titled as &quot;Professional or Amateur: Considerations on Design&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Megan,</p>
<p>Professional standards have nothing to do with web design as related to you by your blog, to set a standard on design would be like telling Picasso to clean up his paintings.  Besides, we do have a set of design standards that are enforced by the developers of the browsers we use, it&#8217;s called HTML 4, (now up to 5), and CSS.  These standards dictate what we can and can&#8217;t do to our web design.  The only limitations set by design is that which the mind can create.</p>
<p>So back to your blog on &#8220;standards&#8221;, the term Professional is coined for anyone who receives a payment for a service performed, technically this means you receive monetary funds, but the service could be a barter exchange or an item that furthers your career.  So does this mean that the college athlete who gets a free education to play football is a professional?  In my opinion, yes.  Others will disagree of course&#8230;   Perhaps this blog would be better titled as &#8220;Professional or Amateur: Considerations on Design&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-112939</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 13:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; of the links don&#039;t work - I can&#039;t help it if other sites change their link structure. Check the date, this post was written almost five years ago. 

This is a blog post, which was part of an ongoing discussion in the industry. Of course it&#039;s opinion. But seriously, you &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; think there should be some professional standards for selling web design? You think people who don&#039;t understand the ins and outs of navigation, layout, typography, SEO etc. should be charging others for their work?

This post was written 5 years ago. I actually think this is less of a problem now than it was in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, <em>some</em> of the links don&#8217;t work &#8211; I can&#8217;t help it if other sites change their link structure. Check the date, this post was written almost five years ago. </p>
<p>This is a blog post, which was part of an ongoing discussion in the industry. Of course it&#8217;s opinion. But seriously, you <em>don&#8217;t</em> think there should be some professional standards for selling web design? You think people who don&#8217;t understand the ins and outs of navigation, layout, typography, SEO etc. should be charging others for their work?</p>
<p>This post was written 5 years ago. I actually think this is less of a problem now than it was in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon R.</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-112915</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Troy!!!  You Rock!  My thoughts exactly!  I&#039;m a fellow UOP student in my Web Design II class.... looking for valid information...clearly it won&#039;t be found on this website.  I&#039;m looking for FACTS, not opinions....just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Troy!!!  You Rock!  My thoughts exactly!  I&#8217;m a fellow UOP student in my Web Design II class&#8230;. looking for valid information&#8230;clearly it won&#8217;t be found on this website.  I&#8217;m looking for FACTS, not opinions&#8230;.just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon R.</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-112914</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My website is still under construction, so you probably won&#039;t want to waste your time on that...lol.  However, NONE of your links work!  Navigation is KEY to good web deign...just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My website is still under construction, so you probably won&#8217;t want to waste your time on that&#8230;lol.  However, NONE of your links work!  Navigation is KEY to good web deign&#8230;just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-106268</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Troy,

Well, I see my post has struck a chord with you! Keep in mind that this is a blog post, not an article or &quot;paper&quot; (and 4 years old!). I agree that the tone is a little confrontational, but that comes out of years of seeing businesses getting ripped off by people selling a poor quality product. Once you&#039;ve been in this industry for a few years I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll understand.

As for some examples of poor site designs, I normally prefer not to single out particular examples. However, I do frequently review sites at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webmaster-forums.net/community-centre/website-critique-area&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Webmaster Forums&lt;/a&gt;. On this site, I have some examples of &lt;a href=&quot;http://meganmcdermott.com/category/web-design/great-websites/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt; design&lt;/a&gt; as well as a review of some major &lt;a href=&quot;http://meganmcdermott.com/2010/02/15/vancouver-2010-web-good-bad-ugly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2010 Olympics websites&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Troy,</p>
<p>Well, I see my post has struck a chord with you! Keep in mind that this is a blog post, not an article or &#8220;paper&#8221; (and 4 years old!). I agree that the tone is a little confrontational, but that comes out of years of seeing businesses getting ripped off by people selling a poor quality product. Once you&#8217;ve been in this industry for a few years I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll understand.</p>
<p>As for some examples of poor site designs, I normally prefer not to single out particular examples. However, I do frequently review sites at <a href="http://www.webmaster-forums.net/community-centre/website-critique-area" rel="nofollow">The Webmaster Forums</a>. On this site, I have some examples of <a href="http://meganmcdermott.com/category/web-design/great-websites/" rel="nofollow"><em>good</em> design</a> as well as a review of some major <a href="http://meganmcdermott.com/2010/02/15/vancouver-2010-web-good-bad-ugly/" rel="nofollow">2010 Olympics websites</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Showalter</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-106212</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy Showalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You title a post &quot;Professional Standards in web Design&quot; yet offer no such standards. This paper is nothing but rhetoric and slanter. It would be nice if you sites some hard examples of poor website designs and explained what makes them poor instead of taking the position that only you (and those like you) should be developing websites. I am a student at University of Phoenix starting my bachelors program in web design. I find your spiteful demeanor in this post troubling and would suggest trying to be more constructive in the future. On a final note, the background color you have chosen for this site is painful to the eyes. I would suggest a softer color in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You title a post &#8220;Professional Standards in web Design&#8221; yet offer no such standards. This paper is nothing but rhetoric and slanter. It would be nice if you sites some hard examples of poor website designs and explained what makes them poor instead of taking the position that only you (and those like you) should be developing websites. I am a student at University of Phoenix starting my bachelors program in web design. I find your spiteful demeanor in this post troubling and would suggest trying to be more constructive in the future. On a final note, the background color you have chosen for this site is painful to the eyes. I would suggest a softer color in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: kabonfootprint</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-29960</link>
		<dc:creator>kabonfootprint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more time that is spent dissecting, analyzing, and critiquing a design by the wrong kinds of people the worse that design gets.  The same trend applies to the number of people involved in the design process.
Thx a lot for infomation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more time that is spent dissecting, analyzing, and critiquing a design by the wrong kinds of people the worse that design gets.  The same trend applies to the number of people involved in the design process.<br />
Thx a lot for infomation!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseff Betancourt</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseff Betancourt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I&#039;m an oldschool web designer that stopped for a long time and then began to find everything different (CSS, etc).

Where would one goto to read up on the standards and such.

I have two sites up currently, my personal joseffbetancourt.com and my hobby site URTournament.org and I&#039;d love to imporve them with standard based design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I&#8217;m an oldschool web designer that stopped for a long time and then began to find everything different (CSS, etc).</p>
<p>Where would one goto to read up on the standards and such.</p>
<p>I have two sites up currently, my personal joseffbetancourt.com and my hobby site URTournament.org and I&#8217;d love to imporve them with standard based design.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://meganmcdermott.com/2006/10/12/professional-standards-in-web-design/comment-page-1/#comment-2446</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molly - thanks for commenting! I totally agree about education. There are some people like yourself teaching to the experts but there aren&#039;t many who are able to reach the beginners and intermediates. I see people like you as being the university professors of web deisgn. And it doesn&#039;t make sense for the university professors to be teaching the beginners. What we need now are some high school teachers! That&#039;s where I see myself :)

It is a challenge to reach out to those people. How do you find them when they&#039;re not looking to improve or don&#039;t even feel they need to? From the other end we can also try reaching out to business owners - the people who buy web design - and teach them about what good web design is.

I really love the Web Evangilsm stuff they&#039;re doing at Opera. I actually applied for a job there :) I would have moved to Norway for that! I think now they&#039;ve moved that part of the company to India now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly &#8211; thanks for commenting! I totally agree about education. There are some people like yourself teaching to the experts but there aren&#8217;t many who are able to reach the beginners and intermediates. I see people like you as being the university professors of web deisgn. And it doesn&#8217;t make sense for the university professors to be teaching the beginners. What we need now are some high school teachers! That&#8217;s where I see myself <img src='http://meganmcdermott.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is a challenge to reach out to those people. How do you find them when they&#8217;re not looking to improve or don&#8217;t even feel they need to? From the other end we can also try reaching out to business owners &#8211; the people who buy web design &#8211; and teach them about what good web design is.</p>
<p>I really love the Web Evangilsm stuff they&#8217;re doing at Opera. I actually applied for a job there <img src='http://meganmcdermott.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I would have moved to Norway for that! I think now they&#8217;ve moved that part of the company to India now.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly E. Holzschlag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly E. Holzschlag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is absolutely key. Yet, there are very few really well educated folks doing the education. So we need to figure out how to train the trainers first, as it were.

Initiatives from major companies such as Yahoo!, Microsoft and Opera are very welcome, too. When they send folks on the road to do true education and not just product hawking (go see Nate Koechley (Y!) and Chris Wilson (MS) for example, and insights and perspectives can really change. What&#039;s more, sharing of technology is imperative. This is something some companies are doing really well and we need to keep encouraging them to do so - they have the resources independents such as myself do not.

At any rate, this is obviously a concern near and dear to my heart. Thanks for keeping the conversation going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is absolutely key. Yet, there are very few really well educated folks doing the education. So we need to figure out how to train the trainers first, as it were.</p>
<p>Initiatives from major companies such as Yahoo!, Microsoft and Opera are very welcome, too. When they send folks on the road to do true education and not just product hawking (go see Nate Koechley (Y!) and Chris Wilson (MS) for example, and insights and perspectives can really change. What&#8217;s more, sharing of technology is imperative. This is something some companies are doing really well and we need to keep encouraging them to do so &#8211; they have the resources independents such as myself do not.</p>
<p>At any rate, this is obviously a concern near and dear to my heart. Thanks for keeping the conversation going.</p>
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